JCrew7384 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Does this happen with anyone? I put the car in Park, I take my foot off the brake, it rolls slightly, as expected (when not using the Parking Brake). however when I then turn the car off, it rolls slightly more. What is that extra roll? That shouldn't happen right since I already let it settle into Park? Cross posting in the regular forum as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perblue Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Have not had that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrew7384 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Perblue said: Have not had that yet. I will take a video today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Yes mine does it about 50% of the time. Its like the transmission was loaded or it was holding the brakes and suddenly disengages once the engine is turned off. It doesn't feel like it will roll away and the parking pawl is definitely engaged. I wonder if its something to do with the mechanism that disconnects the driveshaft. Maybe similar to a clutch its engaged state is when its disconnected and engine off it reconnects forcing front and rear wheels to unload any drive-line forces. Edited February 6, 2019 by Fingernip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyxbfly Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Every edge that I have ever been in seems to do that. I'm currently in a loaner 2018 escape and it does it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaX83_ZA Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Even my Sport does this. When you put the car in park, apply the parking brake before letting go of the brakes. Applying park on the transmission does not apply brakes; the roll and then stop you feel is the transmission stopping the car from rolling, not the brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, MaX83_ZA said: Even my Sport does this. When you put the car in park, apply the parking brake before letting go of the brakes. Applying park on the transmission does not apply brakes; the roll and then stop you feel is the transmission stopping the car from rolling, not the brakes. Its not simply the roll when placed into park. Its a 2nd roll once the engine is shut off. You can feel the car roll once you let off the brake after placing it in park. It will settle on the parking pawl. Then shut off the engine to get out and as soon as you turn off the engine the car rolls again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Another thought is the torque converter may be loaded a bit. Once in park the car settles back under its weight but the impeller drag causes it to slowly put tension back into the driveline so when the engine is shut off it then settles again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrew7384 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, Fingernip said: Its not simply the roll when placed into park. Its a 2nd roll once the engine is shut off. You can feel the car roll once you let off the brake after placing it in park. It will settle on the parking pawl. Then shut off the engine to get out and as soon as you turn off the engine the car rolls again. Yes, this... It is a second roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1073 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 I will have to try and see next time. I normally put mine in park and still have my foot on the brakes and then turn off and release the brakes before getting out. So I only get the normal roll feel when releasing the brakes and exiting the vehicle. I also either park on my flat driveway or slight roll down work parking lot. I will try to remember to put it in park and release the brakes then shut it off and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEDGE16 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 I just got my ST Feb 1st and I noticed similar odd behavior. It's more like a transmission lurch as soon as I shift to park with my foot on the brakes; like it's having problem disengaging from R or D mode. Then the normal roll once I remove my foot off the brakes. No rolls when I shut the engine off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaX83_ZA Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Fingernip said: Its not simply the roll when placed into park. Its a 2nd roll once the engine is shut off. You can feel the car roll once you let off the brake after placing it in park. It will settle on the parking pawl. Then shut off the engine to get out and as soon as you turn off the engine the car rolls again. That is very strange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Doesn't anybody use their parking brake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyxbfly Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 I reflexively hit the parking brake while my brake is engaged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEDGE16 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Parking brake is always on as soon as car is parked, But, as with any of my new vehicles, I like to put to the test their different features, that includes parking with and without the parking brake on. Edited February 6, 2019 by ONEDGE16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 I have honestly never used the parking brake on any car I have ever owned other than loading boats or working on the car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 That makes me curious - when I took my driving test to get my license (many, many years ago), it was part of the test that you had to apply the parking brake when parking back at the testing center. Failure to do so resulted in a major point deduction which was the difference between passing and failing for many. So applying the parking brake got drilled into us during driving lessons. Don't they do that anymore? I would no more forget to apply the parking brake than I would forget to put the side stand down on my bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 15 hours ago, TheWizard said: Doesn't anybody use their parking brake? About the same number who actually read their owners manual (in other words - not many). I used to use mine all the time - now I only use it when parked on an incline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, TheWizard said: That makes me curious - when I took my driving test to get my license (many, many years ago), it was part of the test that you had to apply the parking brake when parking back at the testing center. Failure to do so resulted in a major point deduction which was the difference between passing and failing for many. So applying the parking brake got drilled into us during driving lessons. Don't they do that anymore? I would no more forget to apply the parking brake than I would forget to put the side stand down on my bike. It was a more common practice to create the muscle memory back when manuals were more common. Its often referred to as an emergency brake now aday because its fairly redundant. Its not a bad practice to use it especially in hilly areas. For me I took my driving test back in 1998 and it was not part of the requirement to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, Fingernip said: It was a more common practice to create the muscle memory back when manuals were more common. Its often referred to as an emergency brake now aday because its fairly redundant. Its not a bad practice to use it especially in hilly areas. For me I took my driving test back in 1998 and it was not part of the requirement to use it. It's not really redundant. The parking pawl is not intended to hold the vehicle on a hill - it puts too much stress on the pawl and they can break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingernip Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, akirby said: It's not really redundant. The parking pawl is not intended to hold the vehicle on a hill - it puts too much stress on the pawl and they can break. Growing up in the northeast the extent of our hills is really limited to houses built on burms. Out here you might even confuse someone saying "parking brake" over "emergency brake". Street parking on hills was considered a no-no during drivers-ed for visibility concerns since our hills are soo small they can be avoided by simply parking 30 yards further up the road. Even working in a shop the only broken parking pawls I ever saw was from towed vehicles being drug out of spaces or accidents with parked cars. But as you said, anyone needing to park on hills should use it every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1073 Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 I only use a parking brake when driving a manual. Even just coming from one I do not use the one on the Edge. Heck there are times I just hit the start/stop button without even turning the dial since I know it puts it in park. I also found that if you do that when parking on a slight decline that it will auto engage the parking brake for you since you are on a hill. But normally I just turn the dial and turn it off and get out. And if parking on a steep enough hill I do the turn the wheels to the curb deal you are supposed to do on a hill. And the parking brake deal was not on either of the drivers tests I took in two different states. Put it in park and turn the engine off and get out is all there was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaX83_ZA Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 hours ago, TheWizard said: That makes me curious - when I took my driving test to get my license (many, many years ago), it was part of the test that you had to apply the parking brake when parking back at the testing center. Failure to do so resulted in a major point deduction which was the difference between passing and failing for many. So applying the parking brake got drilled into us during driving lessons. Don't they do that anymore? I would no more forget to apply the parking brake than I would forget to put the side stand down on my bike. As far as I know, its an automatic fail if your car rolls at all once you have parked. And yes, they specifically test parking on incline/declines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, MaX83_ZA said: As far as I know, its an automatic fail if your car rolls at all once you have parked. And yes, they specifically test parking on incline/declines. Must be a Canadian thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, akirby said: Must be a Canadian thing. That's quite possible... I first got my license in Canada almost 50 years ago. Now that I think about it, I don't think they cared when I took the road test when I moved to Florida 25 years ago. But that's not surprising - from what I see on the road, it appears that driver's licenses are available on cereal box tops here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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