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Brake fluid. Replacement. What volume?
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Here is a video that MercyGirl and I made last weekend bleeding the brakes. Not all the video I took was usable because the camera was having focusing issues, but this is what I was able to salvage. Take a look and hope it helps. Just a note if you bleed the rears with this method look to pump and release about 12 times for the rears and about 6-8 times for the fronts. This should be sufficient to clear the old fluid. -
Now the two person brake line bleeding of Lullubelle with MercyGirl on the brake pedal. I'll teach her about cars yet. Not the best video as the camera was having issues focusing and I actually lost some video because it is so out of focus. I salvaged what I could to create this video. Hope it helps someone that wants to bleed the brake lines on any vehicle really as it is pretty much the same for most vehicles.
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Here is the video on the removal and installation of a rear brake caliper pin kit and the removal and installation of the Low Frequency Dampers on the 2011 through 2014 Ford Edge, Ford Escapes etc. Not much out on the web on this so I can pretty much say this is nearly a first on this.
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I jumped ahead of myself and went to install the new rear brake caliper pin kits in Lullubelle. I used the new camera to video the installation and also recorded the removal and installation of the Low Frequency Dampers (how to) video. MG was off having fun so the whole video is via tripod and static. I searched around and nothing on this type of repair on the ford edge and the Low Frequency Damper info is also rather sparse. Video is rendering now and with the new camera the file size has increased so it should take a bit of time to upload. Most likely up and running tomorrow.
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Brake fluid. Replacement. What volume?
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I just bled out the system on my 2011 last weekend. Video to come. I did not use the entire 32oz bottle only about 3/4 of the bottle. -
Today was Blueberry's turn at the dealership for MomOSHA to learn about MFT. The dealer instructor went through everything and set up the web page for access. He noted it needed an update to the software and scheduled an appointment for later today. I then went home and set about activation of the Sirius radio which I soon discovered with the sirius attendant that the system in Blueberry did not match the system installed originally with Blueberry. Once the vin# and radio matching was configured I deducted that the APIM must have been diagnosed as bad and replaced. I then activated the upload of the vehicle health and when I returned the attendant went to update the software via usb and discovered that the software had already been updated to the latest version. He then confirmed this via the vehicle web page that I had activated and uploaded into the data. This confirms the APIM in Blueberry was also replaced with a new APIM and the software updated. Overall everything is working well and all set. Now I wonder how much of it all my wife will remember? LOL This discovery could be helpful if you are buying a used 2011-2012 Ford Edge and the sales person does not know if the APIM has been replaced. simply call Sirius and they would tell you that the radio id number does not match the vin# which confirms the APIM has been removed and replaced with another unit.
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I painted the hubs with the permatex. One thing was the rust on them then you have aluminum and steel meshed together on the wheels and those two metals tend to want to mesh/weld themselves together since they are opposing materials they react poorly. This is why the Navy uses rubber or similar type materials as a buffer between the aluminum super structures and the steel deck on the ships. BTW you will see the permatex in the video liberally applied. I did witness what happens to cast iron after a runaway oven accident. It literally heats the cast iron. Yep with maintenance the vehicle will run a long time if it was a good design (note the Orange Crush mileage) a Chevy Trailblazer on the other hand is a very large weight designed to cause the roadway to sink from not being able to move under it's own power. to a point that it burns the carbon content and other impurities out of the cast iron and leaves it with pitted hollow shell that is very light weight afterwards with a large molten lump of steel on the floor. It was a very interesting reaction.
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OK Then, after my lack of knowledge lead to me causing unneeded damage to the caliper pins on the rear brakes I am ready to make amends. I have purchased two new brake caliper kits by motorcraft at the dealer since no one else seems to carry the parts and most parts stores are rather ignorant in the knowledge of low frequency dampers on the ford edge. The kit numbers are BKCOE-26 or BT4Z-2386-A both of these numbers are on the plastic bag. I will show the bags in the video. This video will show how to remove the low freqency dampers correctly then the studs and caliper pin. The it will show the proper reassembly of the entire system. Once I figured it out it all made some sense. Anyway for those that are interested I will be performing this tomorrow since my brakes are more or less held together with string, duct tape, bubble gum and some spit and a little bit of my blood for good measure. I will get to try out the new camera in the process. By the way the kits are about 11 dollars and change for each one and they supply both caliper pins, new rubber boots and the stud assembly required for the noise damper. The noise damper is an additional 25 dollars if you destroy that and it takes over three days to get it in via Ford. Longer or about the same for the autoparts stores if you can convince the clerk that a low frequency damper actually is a real part.
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Yes get in there and do this......
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I really like the blind spot mirrors on the 2011 I drive and the wife's has the Bliss that lights up. Tonight I got to see the Bliss on the dash light up and it really got MG's attention. It only lights up if your foot is not on the brake.
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Happy Fathers Day to all the other Dad's out there!!! Out of chaos comes information. I broke the Low Frequency Damper on the passenger side of the rear caliper. Not one car parts store even knows what this part is (leave it to me to break something like this) One clerk even thought I was messing with her and inventing the part. I may end up going to the dealer for this even though it is a raybestos part available on the market. Another good thing is I got a new video camera for Fathers Day. Surprise Surprise. Can not wait to try it out and the first video will be of me installing the new (you guessed it) Low frequency noise damper on Lullubelle. Which reminds me I have afternoon time set to watch the movie again. Enjoy your fathers day folks.
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Reviewing video for brake work and due to multiple issues I believe it will be broken into segments. Brake bleed/flush then rear brakes and finally the front brakes. Due to all the issues with the rear brakes the front brake video is a bit less detail than I would of liked and focus issues also developed. Essentially not our best work. Breaking out a standby camera and will see if it works out better for us in the future since it is a full HD video camera it should help some. I apologize ahead of time for the (what I think is poor quality) video. Hopefully it does end up helping gain an idea of what you need to do when working on the brakes on the 2011 and other newer Edge models.
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Front sway bar bushings and stab links?
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That is the same question I have been asking myself. LOL. Let's just say between breaking bolts and waiting for parts it turned into a rather lengthy process. Then add the fact that I have to set up for some video shots and then my lovely daughter MG started to slowly go into a melt down. It just did not work out well and her attitude can be seen via the video in some areas. yep just another day I guess. -
After reviewing the video. I will admit the broken bolt is my fault righty tighty lefty lousy. Ya switch side back and forth then bam you do it wrong. Ordering a new dampener with bolt then will replace it. The brake pads were a total screw up by the clerk at Autozone. Watching the video I have determined that my camera is having issues focusing so it will not be the best in some areas. Someday will have to get a new camera.
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Front sway bar bushings and stab links?
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i got a good look at the OEM links to day during my video of the four wheel brake job and those links are about the diameter of a pencil. Got ya beat on time though. It took me over 6.5 hours to install new rotors and pads, bleed the entire brake system. Not to mention I even manage to break more bolts and had to break out the welder etc. Not my idea of a fun time. -
Why does it take about 6.5 hours to work on brakes? Let's just say Lullubelle does not like anyone working around her rear end. Front brakes and Flushing was easy. Rear rotors and pads nothing but trouble trouble trouble trouble.............. Learned some tricks and let me tell you those noise dampers are a *(&(^(*&&)(*& I need say no more. The engineer who came up with the idea of putting a bolt into another bolt ought to be taken to the stocks and flogged relentlessly. I will work on the video and on top of it all MG developed an attitude when things became tedious. She is good now, bought her pizza and all is better. All I can say is I planned 3 hours or so and ended up being double the time. Good news is the brakes work and yes I even verified that the noise dampeners do work because I had brake noise on the right rear since it is missing the dampener.
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MG has pulled out her union card and demanded an extra hour of sleep. Summer vacation ya know...LOL We are getting ready to head out to perform the 4 wheel brake pad and rotor replacement along with a full brake fluid change. Hopefully Lullubelle cooperates in this adventure. I will also inspect the noise dampeners on the braking system for those who are interested.
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So far Orange Crush MPG was about 20mpg. Lullubelle is running a steady 23mpg, but has over 100lbs of pig iron in the back (brake rotors)
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Not sure on the brakes, calipers and pads, but it sure seems like this problem is due to the actual master cylinder or antilock system. The calipers will only do what they are told to do by the master cylinder/booster and the electronic systems. I would say diagnosis is the key starting point here. I am betting the caliper did not fail, but another component of the braking system has failed.
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Here is a hint on Lullubelle. The name was used in a 1930's war movie.
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I agree the comparison would be Ideal for NEW edges, but alas I have the paycheck I have and used is the price point for me. A lot of folks buying used edges of this type and mileage and since one is all city driving and one is all highway. the comparison is similar. Blueberry has 19K yearly mileage (most likely rural/city type) Lullubelle had an average yearly mileage of about 22K when purchased. Both most likely rural/city mixed driving with Lullubelle getting a slightly higher amount of highway. Both single owner vehicles from new purchases. Both apparently had moderate maintenance, but no transmission flushes or cabin air filter changes. Both are due coolant changes. one is due sparkplugs and PCV since I am in there. Lullubelle is getting new brakes all around tomorrow morning and a full brake line fluid change. We will see how the driving conditions and mileage works out. I am betting on Lullubelle getting new suspension parts. Blueberry may develop other issue in relation to city driving stresses. Time will tell. Not scientific or exactly a great comparison, but might be interesting to watch to see how things progress.
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Some of my family live in Maryland and my brother in law recently "unsuccessfully" tested his brakes on the car he bought two week prior. Now he has a third car. Country boy living in the big city and he hates being cut off and tailgates. Not sure how this is going to work out for him.
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One noticable thing on the brake rotors is that the front rotors are vented rotors, but the rear rotors on the 2011's are just a piece of plate steel. Lower quality rotors are made of graymetal (low carbon steel) and the high carbon are made of alloys of steel, which wold aid in the resistance to rust. The coatings on the rotors are dipped coatings as a spray finishing would not penetrate the venting like dip coating would. It will be interesting to see how the new rotors hold up to rust. I have been thinking of showing a stopping test with the old brakes and a stopping test with the new brakes after installation. Just need to look for a location to perform this test.
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MG and CB came up with some for the Blue Metallic. Not sure about the choices, but they are avid blue berry fans and what to call it Blue Berry - Jury still out.
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What ya think? Cinnamon Metallic = Lullubelle. Only a few will know where this name came from. If you need a hint I will provided one later.
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