snmjim Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Starting this topic because after some tests, aka playing around N an empty parking lot dry & lightly dusted with snow, we identified that this vehicle tends 2 plow (understeer) N hard cornering... Therefore, we're N the hunt 4 the correct rear sway bar 2 mitigate this issue... So far we've established through Ford that the 2016 Edge Sport & 2017 Fusion Sport share the same front sway bar but not the rear. Why does this Info help...because there is more interest, demand & profit 4 companies 2 develop after market performance parts 4 the Fusion Sport. So since these 2 vehicles share many of the same parts there's a good chance that future Fusion Sport parts development will pave the way 4 our platforms with performance & ease of fitment parts. On that note...we have managed 2 connect with the owner of the Fusion Sport that is currently N the final stages of IC fitment at CPe 2 loan us his stock rear sway bar $ fitment R&D on our Edge Sport... I know we said that the 2 vehicles share the same front sway bars but not the rear however, since these vehicles share very similar, if not the same suspension we have reason 2 believe that the rear sway bar difference may very well just B thickness and if we validate that then hypothetically...performance sway bars 4 the Fusion Sport will be an option 4 performance handling enthusiasts like Xtra... Rules of performance designing: 1st...Controllability (gotta B able 2 control it & connect it 2 use it safely) 2nd..Stoppability (gottab B able 2 stop it...BTW my word, no jelly...lol) 3rd...Power (because it makes my testies tingle & just because we can & we prefer lots of it...lol) Until further developments... CIAO! Edited January 11, 2018 by snmjim 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 The addition of a rear sway bar will be perfect for the edge as it has ALOT of body roll, and incorporating a rear sway bar will help stop extreme weight transfer keeping the vehicle more neutral in cornering. Adding a stiffer rear sway bar will help with: throttle lift oversteer into corners Neutral cornering under throttle, with possibility for slight oversteer Change hard brake understeer to possible neutral. Overall I foresee this research helping the handling and nimbleness of a 4400lb boat ;-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikula Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I can say with 100% certainty, on the curves, my 2016 AWD does NOT understeer. her backside comes around with ease. and that was with -2.1* of camber. however, i think everyone would benefit from a rear sway bar. keep us updated! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Mikula thank you for you input, would like to know how you dialed in -2 degrees of camber as this would help greatly with understeer and cornering. Next if you go into a parking lot with an edge on a stock alignment when wet and try to do any sort of maneuvering, there is only understeer and very little braking oversteer. Going down mountain or curvy roads does not show the characteristics of understeer as drastically as simple direction changes on a wet surface. A simple experiment to prove this is to take 3 cones, line them up with 30 feet in between them, try to slalom as quick as possible and what will occur is you either take out each cone due to understeer(insert Conekiller joke here), or you will actually not be able to make the turn and literally go past the slalom point. Edited January 12, 2018 by Special_K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikula Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 lowering springs put me into -2.5* camber territory. I backed them down to -1.9* but it brought my toe further out than i'd like it to be, so bumped it back out to 2.1*. It has factory adjustment in the rear to do this, and you can actually get it within factory spec. on the fronts i bought the camber bolt off amazon for $23 (pn 81280). gives you +/- 1.7* adjustment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 lowering springs put me into -2.5* camber territory. I backed them down to -1.9* but it brought my toe further out than i'd like it to be, so bumped it back out to 2.1*. It has factory adjustment in the rear to do this, and you can actually get it within factory spec. on the fronts i bought the camber bolt off amazon for $23 (pn 81280). gives you +/- 1.7* adjustment Fantastic! thank you for that information! SNMJim before your next alignment we should check your camber and see if getting the camber bolt would be beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Update on swaybars:We have gotten our hands on a 2017 Fusion Sport rear sway bar and will be test fitting this coming week. With a quick layover test fitment, it seems to have the overall correct dimensions. It is thinner than our stock rear swaybar by 1mm but if it bolts right up then that means we can use their aftermarket sway bars which is fantastic because steeda already makes one, so I will call them up and see if they can produce the same bends with a thicker bar. Edge Sport stock rear swaybar = 24.7 mm Fusion Sport stock rear swaybar = 23.7 mm Steeda Fusion Sport rear swaybar= 26.2 mm UPDATE: Just got off the phone with steeda, they are on board if it is a one for one swap! moving in the right direction folks! Edited January 13, 2018 by Special_K 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 Smaller swaybar in front, bigger in rear helps at least FWD cars handle real well. We use/used 24/26 setups in the Gen 1/2 SHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Smaller swaybar in front, bigger in rear helps at least FWD cars handle real well. We use/used 24/26 setups in the Gen 1/2 SHO. right, however for those not doing track duty and would like to keep the daily aspect of it, just doing a rear has plenty of benefits. Also, the fronts have to be developed and tested, the rear is so much easier. Yes im taking the easy way out, best bang for buck ;-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 On the SHO, we only upgraded the rear swaybar, front was stock 24mm. They downsized the rear swaybar for Gen 2, Gen 1 came with the beefier rear SB. Easy sway, and a very desirable one! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 UPDATE: SNMJim and I fitted the Fusion rear sway bar. Summary: it fits but it is too short. We tried flipping end-links to gain more room but didn't work. However, its only 1.5 inches short. I will be contacting steeda to see if they will make one that will fit. Will update when i hear back from Steeda. Still trying to figure out how to attach images, once i do i will add them. -Special K OUT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 On the mobile version of the site, I believe you have to tell the browser to retrieve the desktop version of the site to do anything more than basic posting. I don't know if this site is up on Tapatalk, which also allows you "full-ish" access to posting features. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Maybe see who makes steedas sway bars and get them to make it. They source the majority of their suspension from major companies and rebrand it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 UPDATE: SNMJim and I fitted the Fusion rear sway bar. Summary: it fits but it is too short. We tried flipping end-links to gain more room but didn't work. However, its only 1.5 inches short. I will be contacting steeda to see if they will make one that will fit. Will update when i hear back from Steeda. Still trying to figure out how to attach images, once i do i will add them. -Special K OUT Whoa Nelly, as I climb down off my white steed... So while the one who designs Cyber Security systems to help protect our great Nation is wrestling with embedding Pics in his post I'll step up and help those of you who anxiously await for Special K to figure out this complex process by posting them here... :happy feet: Sorry Son, couldn't pass up that awesome rare opportunity...ROFLMAO!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) SOS...Need a 2015-2018 Edge Sport or 2016 MKX owner within reasonable driving distance of the Newland, NC 28657 area for stabilizer bar fitment!!! Edited February 22, 2018 by snmjim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 So on a good note we have a company that has made parts for us before offer to help us in making some rear swaybars!!! Snmjim and I will keep everyone informed. We shipped a spare stock bar to them as of noon today! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Update!!!Prototype is being made as we speak and will be to us with in a few weeks. the bar will have two holes. soft and hard setting. soft will be 36% stiffer that stock and hard is 62% stiffer.the bar will be slightly larger than the stock but is solid bar and a stiffer steel. will keep all updated! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Now, if they could make one for the 2011-2014s...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Steeda used too, but due to no interest they stopped for the 11-14. I had one of the very last ones on my Edge when I traded it in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Who would be interested in ordering one of the performance Sway bars we're having developed by ADDCO? Just feeling out the interests for placing a Sway bar order. This will help the manufacture determine the initial price for our group... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyxbfly Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 I am interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
037 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Any drag racing benefit or mostly track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Track/road racing/curve handling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
037 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Didn't really experience any handling issues so far. I am lowered and on summer tires. I don't really race it too much around town but haven't reached a speed I was uncomfortable with in a turn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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