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If that is the case then it is as useless as a hand calculation if you are disabling stop/start or using sport mode. Other variables are also unavoidable such as electrical system load. I’m sure EPA testing isn’t done with heated seats/wheel on, blower on high or music thumping on the 800watt system.

I’ll test that again but when I first got the car it was the first thing I notice. Mpg went up after Quite a bit of idle time. Even found out it shuts off after a predetermined time with key outside of the vehicle. I suspect fluctuations may be based on some math Ford engineers designed into it to forecast economy based on closed loop fuel tables. Everything I am saying is just speculation though so I’m all for being proven wrong.

It does not factor infinite into the calculation it also uses fuel flow from fuel pump resistance and throttle body position. It’s a heck of a lot more complex than simple distance over volume. Even my old 86 Lincoln didn’t calculate idle time into the MPG calc.

You cant exclude it when calculating by hand. The car does. It can factor only consumption while moving. So basically any hand calculations you do will be lower than the car's readout. If you are not using stop/start the gap will be even bigger.

You are calculating using odometer VS gas during fill? If so you have the error in your calculations since the odometer is mileage and the gas per fill is the engine run time. Your compounding the fact that your liquid volume calculated does not adjust for time idle/stopped with the already existing speedometer calibration/tire size errors that are unavoidable.

Just picked up my car after getting the TSB done. Definitely an improvement at light throttle. I haven’t gone far yet but it’s definitely much better than before. I can still feel a little hard shift when under a little more moderate throttle but It’s mild and is best compared to an old A4OD with A+ servo mod. In traffic I can’t feel heat changes vs before I would buck and jerk enough to toss my passengers heads around in the car.

Has it starting dragging your mileage down?

I think it was a stubborn mechanic. The TSB was issued the day after he diagnosed the problem and he decided to stick to his original suspicion. Now I have to bring it back tommorow and he will have to eat some humble pie as I requested the TSB 3 times before the work had actually been performed.

I finally got the service report and they of course didn’t include anything from any Ford support forums. I insisted originally that they perform the TSB first and they assured they followed all procedures and the solenoid was the most likely culprit. Now 60 miles after the “fix” it’s still doing it. I’m now debating if I go back or to another dealership.

I contacted them also. ”You should see 6-10 additional rear wheel hp over factory. We do not have and sound or video samples. My apologies.”

It is odd. They have power increase claims and no sound bites. Someone forgot to hit record I guess.

Just picked up my car and so far seems better. I can still feel some herky jerky downshifts and upshifts but seems better. The tech was already gone and hadn’t finished his report so I am supposed to get the paperwork tomorrow morning. They didn’t want to leave me without the car tonight so they let me come get it early. I haven’t gone far though (6 miles) so I’ll drive it a bit and wait for the report and I’ll let everyone know the full outcome.

The part is in and I have an appointment to bring the car in on Wednesday 4/10/19. I asked about the TSB over the phone on the day it was posted and was told there is also a note about it. So they will be trying both methods if the solenoid doesn’t fix it.

Looks pretty consistent 0-60 in about 5.6 seconds. Its definitely pulling power on some runs as it starts hard and ends weak. I would love to see these times with a livernoise tune. Its funny that you won every other run also.

Mine when cold will flare 2-3 badly but no buck. Once warm it bucks 2-3 as if it is a standard and the revs were too high reengaging the clutch. It’s obvious even for people outside as it rocks the entire car

You can disable it with Forscan but you will also lose active noise cancellation. There are threads about it on here somewhere. Also its BS that they deny it as it is also in all of the literature and I personally heard the difference between the car i test drive (early build) and my car (later build) that either has it toned way down or inactive.

Upgraded brakes are same size with identical calipers so either way they should work fine.

You should just clean up the entire thread. As you see it will just keep going as opinions here are very different and someone seems to be baiting the argument.

You might find that it is cheaper to buy wheels + tires than just tires at that size. I got some new 18" wheels + tires to swap for my 22" wheels on my 2011 sport and it was actually $250 cheaper than just buying the 22" tires. I used tirerack and they came mounted and balanced with new TPM sensors and all.

Awesome! thanks for that. Just called the dealer to see if they had this on file. I see the date there is 4/2/19 so they likely had no visibility of this.

Brought my car in this morning and the dealer just called me to say they have reproduced my concern and have a solenoid replacement repair recommended by the ford dealer service forum community. They are ordering the parts now and will release the car to me as we wait for the parts to arrive. They mentioned that it is a wide spread problem that seems to effect a large portion of this model and they have no word if Ford is planning to release a TSB or not. I asked if they can disclose all of there findings and investigation so I can share it here and they agreed.

Ford has never claimed the ST was faster in a straight line than the sport. 93 vs 93 with stock tunes the ST MIGHT edge it out but on any sort of autocross track the ST would make the sport look silly.

The safety features were not a part of my reasoning in the purchase but i absolutely recognize them as a great improvement over my gen 1.5. Automatic braking can and will likely avoid an accident (severe or minor) in the lifetime of the vehicle. The accident avoidance feature (automatic steering) can absolutely be a great feature in the right conditions. The improved AWD system makes my gen 1.5 system look down right silly when considering snow/ice driving. Sure they both do the same task as an iphone 3 is functionally as capable as an iPhoneXs when it comes to its primary purpose but to someone who relies on a phone/car as a tool for daily life and has any need to improve productivity/safety/security newer is generally better. You don't really miss the new features until you have them but once you have them they become indispensable. Depreciation exists in a used car too. Unless you are willing to buy a 10+ year old car that has fully depreciated you will take several milestone equity hits. A 10+ year old car is pretty close to the end of its intended lifespan and its reliability and safety would be in question. It also doesn't provide the option of keeping it another 10 years unless you are willing to ignore the point of beyond economical repair.

The more frequent you buy new, the less hit you take due to residual value of the previous. You take all your loss on the first one and try to maintain 50%+ value from then on. I have been able to maintain the same $14,000 equity since my first new car. My gen 1.5 edge did well as I was able to keep it 8 years before depreciation caught up to the value I needed to maintain. If I had bought it 3 years used I would have had to flip it much sooner or take a total loss and start over.

I completely disagree. A 30 year old car also can’t access the internet while my 2019 has built in WiFi. A 30 year old computer is as capable as a 30 year old car. It can do math and spreadsheets fine. But it won’t run a modern game or cad software just as a 30 year old car won’t have sync3, fordpass, Apple car play and so on. It also won’t reach anywhere near the fuel efficiency or performance of a modern computer/car. They both serve the same purpose but progression has made one far superior.