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I vote ST for sure.. better headlights, better suspension and better brakes. They are pretty much equal in 0-60 performance but would be willing to bet a stock ST would walk a stock sport from a roll. Tunes came out slow for the sport when it was new also. Expect the same for the ST and within a few years you will see bigger power gains also. The handling alone for me is the biggest factor... i always freak people out taking crazy corners at speed with limited to no body roll. Oh the seats are really nice also, some people need time to get used to them and some never do. But nearly everyone who has sat in my car love them, especially on long trips.

I love my ST, Stop/Start did take some getting used to but i really enjoy the feature now. You have to adjust your driving habits a tiny bit to really make it work seamlessly. I absolutely love the power and handling over my 2011 Edge Sport i traded in.

Was on my way to Groton CT on rt2 and saw a 2020 explorer ST being reviewed. Guy had it rigged with cameras and we acknowledged each other as I passed him. I was hoping to ride along with him and see if he would do a quick pull against me but his exit came too fast.

Found this video showing pretty much from start to finish the assembly line for the 2020 Explorer. Also shows retooling of the plant.

I went with a Annke system because it uses industry standard equipment that can be swapped and mixed with many different manufacturers. I can upgrade the cameras or NVR later if needed. Also the HDD can be upgraded with a standard PC harddrive. Its hard wired too but that also means Ill be climbing around in my unconditioned attic tonight forecast for today is 90ºF and humid.

Happened again! This time they actually got in the car. If they used a range extender and expected to start the car I’m sure they were disappointed. They ended up stealing an iPhone cable and made a mess of my napkins and that is it. So now I’m installing cameras and motion lights until I can clear my garage

I would doubt that is the reason for the power difference. I don't think the system is operating at the threshold where exhaust flow is the largest factor in power produced. Livernoise is easily increasing power without exhaust mods but likely at the expense of Fords target fuel economy numbers, emissions or safety factor for reliability. Sure a more free flowing exhaust would make the turbo more efficient but eliminating that 1 bend would be the hardest and likely the last place to start. At stock boost levels and a margin beyond the system breathes just fine.

I really would be surprised if that was the case. The F150 is rated for more torque, as it should being a truck with a towing capacity of 8000+lbs. The F150 makes peak torque at under 2700 rpm while the Edge makes peak torque at 3200 rpm. the F150 likely has a torque curve better suited for towing and hauling than racing on an autocross track. The engineers at Ford likely could easily tune an extra 20 f/lbs torque into the edge but might sacrifice power in the usable rpm range for its intended purpose.

I have definitely noticed this. We need someone to try both and run the 1/4 mile. It definitely feels to me that regular Drive mode is quicker in a straight line while sport mode is more suited to real world driving and road courses. Sport seems to hold gear too long and runs out of the power band. It will toss you back in the seat every time you get on the gas but when simply going straight through the gears it holds on too long. Its funny because my buddy just got a 2014 Mercedes E350 AWD and its rated very close to the same 0-60 as the edge ST. But test show that it only gets sub 6 seconds in eco mode and sport mode off.

Yeah its an ST so different trans but i would still try the same diagnostic approach. Its fairly simple for the dealer to disable the TC lockup to verify if the bucking stops.

If your getting the bucking you should bring it in and show my service record. It definitely should not be doing it.

Another thing to consider is heat. It was designed to be track run and take all day abuse. They may not have been able to get the consistency they wanted with a hotter tune without upgrading airflow/cooling system. Ford likely designated a budget for development and production. The ford performance team was given a completely pre-designed and finished vehicle to go back and re-invent.

I have put about 100 miles on it since and it’s driving great. I have really no complaints for how it shifts in D or S. I am very happy with how it feels around town under light and heavy throttle.

I’m betting the torque is limited due to the 8F57 trans. They wanted to maintain the safe operating margin for reliability. Also the ford performance team may have decided whatever sacrifice required for the extra 20lbs torque might not have been worth it while operating within whatever emissions/EPA requirements ford set. Extra 10hp might be that torque production was a bit higher in the RPM band allowing a faster corner exit speed.

Adding mass inevitably adds surface area. It would also be assumed that anyone expecting conductivity would use a thermal paste or a conductive non curing compound during install. If you take a few minutes to check the internet for testing of aluminum caliper covers you will see why there is a debate here. your 10x10’ cooling conductor vs a finned heatsink scenario is missing the control. The same heat source with no heatsink at all will remain hotter than both.

Your mass balance will not become higher unless it us unable to dissipate the heat. 2 similar materials once mated will not cause an increase in temp. Initially it will decrease until heat-soak and thermal dissipation will likely improve due to increased surface area. now you introduce a more conductive material and it further improves this effect. We apply this same logic in aerospace overhaul and repair. You do in fact see this exact same logic used in various objects. Aluminum cores on cooking pans/pots, Fin-less heat-sinks used on heat spreaders on processors. Adding fins adds efficiency and increases surface area while decreasing material weight.

I disagree on the amount it will impact cooling performance. Without knowing exactly what coating or the thickness it is not possible to claim it would become ineffective as a heat-sink. Additional mass does not require additional cooling unless its introducing additional heat or decreased conductivity. It will absorb heat from a mating object until temperatures balance, but because of its better dissipation rate into atmosphere it will continually draw heat. I work with various materials and many processes that use this same basic concept daily. Often including coatings and platings.

You also shouldn't claim 100% of applications 100% of the time. To act as a heatsink it only needs to be conductive and add mass. It would eventually heat-soak and fail to provide benefit. Being aluminum though means its going to have much better thermal conductivity than the base material and much better heat dissipation. As long as there is no air gap between to act as insulation I would imagine it would have some cooling benefit in at least some scenarios.

Just picked up my car. I have only driven to the gas station and back to work so not much seat time yet but so far so good. It is shifting very smooth and without the bucking 3rd gear. I did notice some clunks into gear that i will have to keep an eye on. Ill check trans fluid level when I get home also. Ill tell you the power difference and basic handling between a 3.5L 2019 explorer and the edge ST is MASSIVE. I missed my ST so much. The torque is fantastic and seems to always have tons of available power no matter what speed you are driving. Ill scan the service report later but it basically said they found the TC control solenoid was sticking and actually confirmed the piston was sticking in the bore. They replaced that and also the torque converter.

Car is STILL in the shop. Possibly the slowest service department I have ever dealt with. I haven't had my car for 2 weeks now and the explorer XLT They gave me is absolutely no replacement for my edge.

New converter should be installed today. I'm hoping its resolved as I absolutely hate the loaner explorer I'm driving. I'm also hoping not to see damaged wheels and tore up lug nuts.

I have a little over 3000 miles on mine and it progressively worsened over time. Probably 90% is city and very short commutes (3miles or less). After the TSB is was a bit better for about a day and came back worse than before. At one point it began clunking into reverse and drive as if it had low trans fluid. That cleared up on its own but the bucking in 3rd was like someone who is learning to drive a manual.

That’s CAD I’m guessing. In USD that would be a scary deal.

I think hes saying the bypass opens at 7psi. He must have a boost gage with a trigger set to open the bypass.

I thought it was also planned to be all electric. or was it just 1 variant of the same vehicle that is electric? If its all electric and gets 300+ miles per charge within $60K I'm all in.