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45 minutes ago, GatorMoni said:

Can we extend our warranties? I have to look and see what I signed up for when I bought this car used last year. 


Wait, you don't get a call from someone named Leslie or Suzie a couple of times a week offering to extend your warranty?  image.png.835aced7e0a7a3c5d13b0a9768f1e212.png

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On 5/18/2021 at 7:17 PM, CrackedDSM said:

How hard would it be to swap in the 2.3 from the mustang or the focus RS? They’ve got the headgasket issues pretty well licked. And it’d be a nice little bump in power. 😄

Easy as pie. Everything bolts up in fact some guys build the 2.3 out of 2.0 blocks to get rid of the open deck. I am not one but I have my 4K miles rs engine and turbo waiting for my 2.0 to fail but it hasn’t even being tuned for over 100k 

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My 2016 Edge with 95k just started losing coolant. Like others no sign of an external leak.  Losing about 5-6oz per day.  I’ve been watching it since I first read about this problem last year.  Guess it’s my turn.  Anyway, has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer?  I used that on an old Mazda3 head gasket leak with good results.  I’m thinking to try it here too.  

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12 minutes ago, Tcinci said:

My 2016 Edge with 95k just started losing coolant. Like others no sign of an external leak.  Losing about 5-6oz per day.  I’ve been watching it since I first read about this problem last year.  Guess it’s my turn.  Anyway, has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer?  I used that on an old Mazda3 head gasket leak with good results.  I’m thinking to try it here too.  

Not a long term fix, and unlikely it will be effective for this type of head gasket issue, but you've got nothing to lose.

 

A friend of mine has just installed a new engine with nothing offered from Ford - they said that he'd need to pay for a strip-down and diagnostics and only then would they decided if they would extend any "good will".

 

 

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Why isn’t this just a head gasket change? Or if it’s the head casting that’s micro racking the a head change. I don’t understand the block change. 

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12 hours ago, Tcinci said:

Why isn’t this just a head gasket change? Or if it’s the head casting that’s micro racking the a head change. I don’t understand the block change. 


Because it’s a flaw in the block coolant passages.  They used a slot and that lead to cracking in the block.  They changed it to a drilled passage.

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Had a misfire code on the #3 cylinder. Pulled the plug a noticed it was wet. Replaced plug and car still ran a little rough.

My wife called me and said the car wouldn't start. Supposedly the car hydro locked. Took it to the shop and  was told it 

probably needs a long block which is on national backorder with Ford with no release date. Really regretting buying this

car. 75000 miles and I need an engine. I have owned nothing but Fords since 86, this may be my last.

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work with ford corporate to see if they will share the cost of the new engine with you.  be nice but firm. you never know. sometimes you can find a law firm that has filed suit for this problem and request a mediation if ford is not forthcoming just to you.

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20 hours ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said:

work with ford corporate to see if they will share the cost of the new engine with you.  be nice but firm. you never know. sometimes you can find a law firm that has filed suit for this problem and request a mediation if ford is not forthcoming just to you.

I gave the same advice to my friend, but the only way Ford would consider any form of compensation was for him to commit to covering the bill of a strip-down and diagnostics, and he wasn't prepared to risk paying that and the price of a new engine.

 

He got a new long block from Ford and an independent service shop installed it.

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well, as with any other well known problem that ford has issued tsbs but not recalls for, keep the bills handy, explore options with legal counsel to get recompensed.  i would not give up on the legal angle. the coolant level should have been dropping, there may be a misfire with or without code, and the plug in the misfiring cylinder as well as the piston/valves should look remarkably clean.

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Just bought the car a week or two ago and had a couple small issues, the waterfall sound at startup and after a couple days’ driving it threw a P0301 misfire code on cylinder 1. Symptom was a rough shuddery idle the first ten seconds or so on a cold start then ran fine the rest of the time. Pulled the plugs and replaced with NGK Ruthenium’s, old plugs were pretty gross. Also cylinder one plug (far left facing the engine) was different than the others as you can see in the pic so someone saw the code before and just threw a single plug at it, no idea why you’d do that.
 

Anyway installed the new plugs and cleared the code, also burped the coolant system and haven’t had the waterfall sound since. Car ran way better for a week or so then the same code came back so I’m thinking coil packs next, unless someone has anything else to try before I go to that.

 

Thanks for any and all help!

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Thanks a bunch for the reply. I’ll probably go ahead and replace all four coils anyway because why not at 70K, then if the issue persists we’ll go from there

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35 minutes ago, 17Ville2.0 said:

Thanks a bunch for the reply. I’ll probably go ahead and replace all four coils anyway because why not at 70K, then if the issue persists we’ll go from there

Why?

 

I have 71K miles on my Sport, and expect my ignition coils to last more than twice that - if the time comes, I'll only replace a component like that if testing confirms its failed.

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55 minutes ago, handfiler said:

Could be a faulty coil but I wouldn't rule out a faulty injector either.

Correct, and some diagnostics should be able to identify it.

 

Running a fuel system cleaner in a couple of tanks costs very little and can do no harm, and could clear a fouled injector.

 

Seeing that one foreign incorrect spark plug makes me cringe, and conjurers up an image of a drunk redneck shade tree "mechanic" working on it - a clear sign that its been abused.

 

17Ville2.0  what's the mileage?

Do you have the service record?

Did you research its history on places like CarFax?

 

 

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26 minutes ago, 1004ron said:

Why?

 

I have 71K miles on my Sport, and expect my ignition coils to last more than twice that - if the time comes, I'll only replace a component like that if testing confirms its failed.

Good advice that I have followed for a long time. It's had a positive effect on my investment portfolio also.

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as an aside, check to make sure the engine is not a 420 Cleveland engine.  the label is on the passenger side of the valve cover.  if it is, this may develop into a misfire/coolant loss/engine replacement scenario.

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It is indeed a 420 Cleveland engine. Didn’t know any of these issues until after we bought it of course. Also, it has lost a little coolant since I filled it up and burped it last. I’ve been doing some reading, are these engines prone to head gasket issues or something that leak coolant into a cylinder?

 

I’ve bought many used cars before and did the same thing with this one that I’ve always done, checked the car fax beforehand which was clean, only two owners and lots of service records. Test drove just fine too of course, just really hoping this doesn’t turn into a major issue. Monday will be two weeks that we’ve had the car. Going to call the dealership on Monday and see what we can figure out.

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Do a forum search.

 

If its the Cleveland engine with those symptoms the solution is not simply a gasket replacement, but an engine replacement.

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if you are suffering coolant loss, there is a higher likelihood of needing a replacement engine.  hope you have powertrain warranty from somewhere, Ford or insurance co, or otherwise.

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Thanks for the info, guys. Just so I can be prepared, what is the actual issue with these engines to where not even a gasket will fix it?

 

and I domy know that I’m necessarily losing coolant, but air is definitely getting into the system somehow. I noticed the level had dropped since I burped it a few days ago, so I checked the level on a cold engine and it had dropped slightly below minimum on the overflow jug. However when I unscrewed the cap, air escaped and the level rose back up.

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Help!!…. My 16 Ford edge is driving me nuts!!!….. water noise when I turn car on and idling,  during  acceleration (while on park), during driving (streets, up hill, down hill, coming to a stop) not so much when on freeway. Currently No other symptoms (no over heating, no coolant loss/leaks, ac/heater working) I have had 3different mechanics look at it, I had thermostat replaced(due to coolant backflow /replacement resolved that)  radiator cap replaced (just incase), cooling system burped/bled, AC drain checked for clog( was advice no clog). Nothing has helped with loud annoying water noise. Sound of Water rushing through.

** I noticed it all after coolant flush**
i don’t know if i should have the coolant flushed again or what to do. I’m out of ideas 💡 

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possibly air in the cooling system.

 

what engine in your Edge? 2.0/3.5/2.7? ecoboosts are more prone to developing air pockets during coolant flushes, and can be a devil to get out on the 2.0.  3.5 is pretty good about it, 2.7 can be more troublesome.

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2.0 Engine size 

yes we believe it’s possible air in cooling system but with no luck to take air out. 

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