garycrist

We have a little twisty here in Anna Texas. I always like driving my 92 Gt Mustang down that little road. Eibach springs and sway-bars and 275 17s, Cobra Brake Kit. Needless to say it will go around a corner, stiffly. I would never push the 08 Edge Limited that hard. Now with the 22 ST even the wife does not grab hold of the dash, grab handles etc. She even stated she like it and feels safer (smoother Ride) than the 'Stang. Active stability and roll control kicks in and one can feel the brakes helping steer around a corner. Next time I'll try Sport mode. The twisty road is 455 going west of 75 in Anna... Have fun.

@enigma-2 That's a good one !!🤗🤣

I don't care what you call me. Just don't call me late to dinner!😊

Thank you much for the tip. I had tracked the problem down a long time ago. I just did not know where the speaker was exactly and I was too lazy to tear the trim panel out. Also for someone else in the future. Now that I found it a new part will be put in in no time! G

Here is how to "Flat Rate " job or in civilian talk, this is how we can beat the clock! This is the view of the Left Rear quarter Panel where the Parking Aid Speaker is located. We will see it's location just below and to the rear of the seat belt entrance into the panel. Looking at the trim panel, separate the trim from the rubber seal. Peeling back the Quarter Panel the Speaker to be replaced is now visable. Prop the panel and replace and reinsert the panel into the rubber trim.

Thank you very much! I have looked here and all over to no avail! Gary DE KI6FG

I have searched till my finger are blue to find where the Parking Aid Speaker is located in a 2008 Ford Edge Limited. Thank You in advance.

Thank You very much for the reply. I just purchased one on your recommendation! I know how much sub-frame connectors and a plate of steel under the rear seat to tie them together on my Fox Mustang do! When I jacked up the ST I found out how much they twist. Thank You @gainesb2003

Be proud of that worn out Ford logo! The BMW guys keep them that way as a badge of ownership duration. My '08 Edge Limited is far worse and I am proud of all 210K miles we have had "her"!

The reason I post about LSPI, was during a conversation with a member, he thought that the ECM was controlling the timing hence no LSPI. Yes I am quite aware of micro-welding of metal and oil particles contributing to the phenomena too. Thank You very much @todd92!

I see you purchased a Carfield Enterprise front strut bar. How hard are they to install?

You are absolutely right about wrench turners! The problem is we are in the back and have no control of the thieves and liars way up front! Here is how the game is played, as the customer as well as the technition get the wienie in the end. I was a participant when Mazda started building their "Flat-Rate Book" or how much we could "flag" back in '72. We could only use hand tool, no air powered. WE had to clock-in and clock-out for every job we did. They then averaged those jobs and then cut the hell out of the time!! The flat-rate books were all built around hand tools no air power. So if a technician invested in air tools, one could beat the book most of the time. Air tools back then were expensive. It was about $100ish for a 3/8 air ratchet and about $150-$200 for a good 1/2 impact gun. That would be about $750 for the air ratchet and $1000 to $1500 for the impact gun in today's dollars! Back then my house was red with a Snap-On plaque for an address! Technicians/Mechanics just like every other profession, only have so many, for lack of a better term, artists or people with what it takes! Just like Doctors, 50% of all Doctors graduated in the lower %50 of the class! I hate to say this but, dealerships are where a lot of the new guys go to PRACTICE on YOUR car but, one never winces when Doctors practice on US.

In a recent conversation here about oil catch cans and their value it appears there is a confusion between Low Speed Pre-Ignition and detonation and or pinging. Sure we have knock sensors and in conjunction with the ECM, control the timing ot achieve optimal timing just short of detonation. Pinging we experienced with carbs, port injection or where fuel was present in the intake path, was caused by hot spots or combustion chamber deposits aside from fuel quality. With the new Direct Injection DI engines most pinging is eliminated because of prcise fuel injection timing so that these engines are bordering on a Diesel cycle rather than Otto cycle. DI Engines (DIE) are like a Honda Stratified system without the extra combustion chamber and attending valve or some diesels with a per-combustion chamber . Instead, a rich patterned spray surrounds the spark plug with a rich enough mixture to initiate combustion then spark. Power is achieved by duration of spray measured in pulse and duration. As one can tell on a DIE this is where the computer can alter timing to alleviate pinging. Now to the meat of this post LSPI or Low Speed Pre-Ignition. This animal is different and the computer can not control it! Microscopic oil droplets in the intake path from blow-by is one culprit. The other, it appears is the oil itself and it's additives as well as gasoline dilution of the residual oil film on the cylinder walls. Some oil and now broken down oil (sludge) is now trapped between the top ring and top of the piston. This gunk has a lower octane than the fuel and is one of the sources LSPI. LSPI situations arise on cold engines or not up to operating temperature, engines that have been idling for a period of time like in traffic. So as one may deduce it takes time to burn off the residual oil before applying a bunch of load aka. boost.

I sure hated people like you😜, how could I make any money on repairs! My kids would have only eaten beans rather growing up big and strong eating meat!🤣

Thanks to all as you made me study a lot of the new technology now in what I now own. My My how things have changed! Low speed detonation is a real problem with DI engines like we have in our STs or especially turbo charged engines. If one lived through the fuel we had during the mid 70's, low speed detonation or pinging was a real problem no matter the fuel grade. With that in mind and the article at the end, I understand the throttle mode the increases throttle response and why it might not be a food idea! Ever wonder where the dreadful sludge come from in the bottom of the oil pan? The viscosity improvers that make that oil perform like a 40 weight at temperature break down to combine with the combustion deposits. The failed Echoboost motors I seen torn down YT, have shown me that oil changes and the proper oil and high quality and octane is required. Pushing a 4500 pound vehicle with a 163 cubic inch motor that a few years ago would be slower than a VW Micro Bus! https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/oil-composition-direct-injection-low-speed-knock/

I always figured Ford sold part and cars! An example from a few years ago was the Corvette sales story. Sales of the cars themselves were not stellar and the brass thought about scrapping that line. That was until they found out they sold way more Corvette parts than cars and the parts were VERY profitable! On the oil thing, F1 will only let the teams run no less than 10-30 and burn only so much per mile/KM. The oil is used as a power adder etc. as it burns! The Voodoo specs 5W-50 and one of the Shelby engines speced 0W-50! Voodoos drank big parts of their 10 QUARTS of oil with lots of engines lost due to owner neglect! I will probably change to a 10W-XX soon as I do not like some of the blow-by carbonation on pistons of a couple of failed 2.7s. Mostly due to long oil changes no matter the brand of synthetics.

Volatility rates of oils was fun back in the 80's. When the valve cover started leaking on client's cars. 1st. thing I would ask was if it was Pennzoil or Quaker State. They were paraffin based and left the covers filled with crud! I've stuck with synthetics since the 70's. Ashless like AeroShell was the same thing in the Valvoline Racing but with different additive packages with Valvoline having more ZDP. AeroShell was GREAT for oil burners too! I still add a quart or two of Valvoline Racing (high ZDP) to my oil changes to my 08 Edge with 210,00 miles. That seemed to quiet down the cam phasers. With all of the metal pieces crushed together to make the cams move, i looked at them just like flat tappet cam contact that need extra protection and the ZDP.

Anything one can do to eliminate carbon build-up in the intake path is worth GOLD! Depending on the fuel quality from the distributor and the additive package that are blended in, either at the point of sale (Costco) or the source, build-up can be mitigated depending on the additive package. Ford specifies TT type fuel which has P.E.A. detergent, Shell w/ Nitrogen, Techron Costco to name a few. Most have P.B.A. but, it will not get rid of the high temp gunk on the valves etc. like P.E.A. The catch can is cheap insurance for a KNOWN PROBLEM. But hey, like the "Fram Man" should have said "You can pay me now and you can pay me later". How much later depends on you. For the "Tech Wienies" who want to know why, here we go. 5W-30 motor oil is thin and gets thinner as it heats. I do not care for the 30 part as it only goes to the "holding ability" to keep parts apart. With thinner ring packs, short skirts (I like short skirts), thin oil, high R.P.M. and turbo boost will produce tons of blow-by. It consists of misted oil whipped up in the crank case by the crankshaft spinning and leakage of combustion products and coked oil that was burned about the 2nd. ring on down the piston skirt. Remember those "short skirts"? Well at high R.P.M. they allow "piston rock" where the piston is not square to the bore. With the wider gap in the rings to prevent them butting together and piston rock, excess "blow-by" is produced ! In our turbo engines that gap has to be wider than a N.A. engine. That gap provides extra "blow-by" that we are trying to cut down with the catch can.

Hey thanks @Haz, Like most of the things, that at times I kept running, for some of my less that financially able clients, have gone to the crusher! The technology that I was preparing myself for way back then, saved me countless hours of frustration when it arrived in the automobiles od the then future. The thing that sorrows me the most, will be our cumulative knowledge not found in the service manuals we used to make a living with.

I guess after a year of lurking and "freeloading", I should introduce myself here. I have a wonderful Ford stable. My foray into Fords began with a 427 63 Galaxie 500 which would handily outrun the cops (on several occasions)! We now have a 92 Mustang GT, Explorer 302, '08 Edge Limited and our new baby a '22 Edge ST. The "Black Momba", has 285/35 22s on Axe wheels with Goodyear Gatorbacks to keep the road slash down. Also, I've installed the ST puddle lights in the mirror for my wife's birthday, as after all "HER HOT ROD" this time. I have wrenched in dealerships from Ford, Lincoln/Mercury, Mazda, Fiat Jeep, Lotus Saab but, the Italian, Fiat Ferrari were the money makers. I don't go fast in a straight line anymore but, I point out to the new uninitiated riders where the grab handles are so the can hang on around corners! DE KI6FG

We found a used 2022 Agate Black ST with 16K miles. It was from Prosper Ford (a Berkshire Hathaway owned Dealership) Prosper Texas. 285/35 X 22 wheels and tires, a 401A helped knock it out of the park, especially with the "Bait Price". Carfax said minor damage but, I sure can't find it. They covered a small rock chip on the passengers with the advertising sign that after sale they would not fix. I just did my 1st. oil change, this week-end. At least one does not get the "Windsor Splash" when changing the filter! While looking the under-hood area over by the battery, I discovered a Lo jack wired to the battery and it was LIVE!! I had purchased a OBD2 Bluetooth for Torque Pro but when I pulled it out the OBD2 port came apart with a small wire running somewhere into the dark of the dash! I was fixing to ask questions here as I've NEVER had a OBD2 port come apart! I pulled the fuse access cover above driver's left knee. Low and behold I've now found my 2nd. GPS Tracker! Both were working and phoning HOME! Beware of Berkshire-Hathaway(BRK) dealerships. The CRAP they try to pile on is B.S. and Zaktek finish they pile on is owned by BRK! It is possible they are tracking their customers post sale? DO NOT let them "run the paper work" on a tablet or other electrical device. Make them put it to paper! Stand FIRM and be ready to walk no matter what! Outlast them and be boisterous and loud. Make sure other customers know that they are trying to screw you as they will want you out the door! Oh, by the way, pack you lunch as it is worth thousands of dollars out of your pocket. I started wrenching in dealerships starting 1971.

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http://www.leatherique.com/ This stuff is better than all of the other stuff mentioned above! Reserve at least one day for the Rejuvenator Oil to do it's job before doing the Prestine Clean. As a side note, it will leave your hands so soft that your girl friend or wife will want the "treatment" too. It may be pricey, but well worth the cost!!! Gary

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