2019 2.7L Oil Consumption Issue

[echotango]

Please redirect me if this topic has been discussed.

 

My 2019 Edge ST with the 2.7L ecoboost is consuming oil. It has used about 1.5 quarts in about 2,600 miles. I have done some searching, and while I find the same issue, there only seems to be articles and a Ford TSB for the 2016-2017 Edge/Fusion and Lincoln models as well as the F-150, all with the 2.7l engine from that generation. Does anyone have any knowledge of this with the current engine, or is mine a unique case? Seems a bit too coincidental that mine has the same problem as this previous gen engine. Info is appreciated, thank you!

 

Current mileage about 70,400

[1004ron]

Welcome.

 

I haven't seen any other posts with oil consumption issues in the 2.7TT which leads me to believe that its not a common problem.

 

Do you have an extended warranty? - if so take it in for an official oil consumption test, and depending the outcome they should cover the repairs or replacement engine.

 

Asl check the Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) valve and make sure its not allowing oil to be fed into the intake, if that's good then do a compression and leak-down test.

 

I use a Catch-Can and it will alert me to any malfunction with the PCV system.

[Perblue]

I had a high consumption and then a turbo dumped almost all the oil out the exhaust during a 10 hour drive.

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

there is a tsb out for gen 2 2.7s with oil consumption requiring a new block.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zcNjezDAfMkX_jzC9PJC1niHgpLhmTEA/view?usp=drive_link

 

nothing yet on gen 2.5

Edited July 29, 2023 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W

[Kevin_2019_ST]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:02 PM, echotango said:

Please redirect me if this topic has been discussed.

 

My 2019 Edge ST with the 2.7L ecoboost is consuming oil. It has used about 1.5 quarts in about 2,600 miles. I have done some searching, and while I find the same issue, there only seems to be articles and a Ford TSB for the 2016-2017 Edge/Fusion and Lincoln models as well as the F-150, all with the 2.7l engine from that generation. Does anyone have any knowledge of this with the current engine, or is mine a unique case? Seems a bit too coincidental that mine has the same problem as this previous gen engine. Info is appreciated, thank you!

 

Current mileage about 70,400

Having the same issue with our 2019 ST. Did you get an answer? Ours is going to be looked at Friday.

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ks3vqWXY1zMT4LpcsdqpLk5bRlb5iLFz/view?usp=drive_link

SSM 49210 - 2009-2020 Various Vehicles - Turbocharger Oil Supply Tube/Drain Tube/O-ring Or 6.7L Pedestal Gasket Oil Leaks

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IU8OeBwspTXpfGvIuhfzKlTZ4H6mO3_n/view?usp=drive_link

Some 2018-2019 Edge/Continental/Fusion/MKZ, 2018 MKX, and 2019 Nautilus vehicles equipped with a 2.7L EcoBoost or 3.0L EcoBoost engine may exhibit an oil leak from the engine oil pan RTV seal.

[Kevin_2019_ST]

Ford dealer checked for leaks and found none. Printed out a TSB for checking the oil, says let engine stand for 15 minutes after running before checking oil. Oh boy, that doesn't help me. Service manager recorded mileage and took picture of dip stick. Says bring it back after 1000 miles. It's still under factory warranty for one more year. They don't seem interested in warranty work but will do it. He mentioned I could take it to the dealer closer to me, LOL.

 

Side note, I had my local Ford dealer install some really nice $400/tire Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires back in March. The Continental factory tires were junk and the foam inside them made them impossible to balance. Anyway, the local Ford dealer tech installed the passenger side Michelins backwards! (yes they're directional) The other Ford dealer noticed it. I had the local dealer flip the tires on the rims that day. 

[Dennis0782]

We have had our 2019 Edge ST since new and it has 31,000 miles on it at this time.  Prior to the last oil change I checked the oil and found that it was about 2 quarts down, which was surprising as there was not indication that it was using oil, ( Leaks, Smoke or Performance).  We have a service contract with our local Ford Dealers and they do oil and lube changes.  I mentioned it to the Tech when I took it in for service but he said he had not seen any with this issue before.  He said to check it on a regular basis and see if it is down.  Since the oil change I have been checking it and it appears to still be in the normal range but lower down.  I change oil every 5000 miles because of our heat and driving conditions in Nevada.  I have also read other post that there may be an issue with the turbo pulling oil and that is a concern. I ahve an extended warranty on the vehicle for one more year so I will defiantly  keep an eye on it.

[omar302]

On 10/31/2023 at 4:53 PM, Dennis0782 said:

Prior to the last oil change I checked the oil and found that it was about 2 quarts down, which was surprising as there was not indication that it was using oil, ( Leaks, Smoke or Performance).

 

My doubt would be that it was not filled correctly from the oil change. Did you check it any other time since the oil change? Also, remembers that with these engines you have to wait 15 minutes before checking the oil level to ensure the level is read correctly.

[kruzr1]

I have an ST also with about 35000 miles.  I change my oil twice a year, once in the fall and once in the spring.  Which comes out to about 3500 - 4000 miles in between.  Never had an issue with oil consumption. Only use full synthetic oil. I do find it hard to get a proper reading on the dipstick sometimes, depending on how I pull it out and which side I'm looking at.  I wonder if some of these oil consumption reports might be oil leaks, such as the infamous oil pan, or improper oil refill like omar302 suggested.

[antb97]

@Kevin_2019_ST 
@echotango 

did either of you ever figure this out? My '19 Edge ST has been consuming for last year and a half. I'm starting to believe its a turbo, but now I noticed my coolant level is about an inch below the minimum line so I'm extremely worried it may be a head gasket. 

[echotango]

@antb97

 

I haven't figured it out, but like you I believe it's one of the turbos. It seems to pool up in one while at low rpm after running at highway speed for a while, then it blows smoke when I step on it again. I'm learning it uses oil at a certain rate, so as long as I keep an eye on it, should be ok (for now..)

 

For the coolant issue you have, I found a PTU coolant line rubbing on the RH frame that was leaking. Replaced it myself with no shortage of cursing. New lines were maybe $180? Damn thing was close to stranding me somewhere. Look on the inboard subframe, close to the front passenger tire.

[enigma-2]

The 2.7 EcoBoost engine is known for having several problems due to the engine design and direct injection.

 

One of the most common problems is high oil consumption. (A common failure is due to oil plan leaks due to the plastic oil pan and gasket design.) But there are other, internal causes. 

 

This website talks about these and other problems, symptoms and fixes on the 2.7 EcoBoost engines.

 

https://lemonlawexperts.com/ford-2-7-ecoboost-problems/#Problem_4_Head_Gasket_Failures

 

 

 

[1004ron]

I wouldn't trust a Lemon Law lawyers website to be an accurate reference.

[todd92]

The 2.7 is NOT known to have oil consumption issues.

[enigma-2]

I've  formed my viewpoint based on hundreds of posts I've read on the Ford F150 forums. In all reality, the only entity with all the facts is likely Ford, who has all the statistical data from all the dealership repairs, and that is likely confidential.

 

I Don't believe that Ford issued an  TSB for the 2.7 in the Edge, but they have for the 150 for high oil consumption. (TSB 18-2237)

 

Probably unrelated, there is a recall for the 2021–2022 Edge and Nautilus (and every other model with the 2.7) due to a potential engine failure risk. The issue stems from faulty intake valves.

 

Reading on Bob's the oil guy where one user reported his dipstick was popped up from excessive pressure in the crankcase. 

 

#4

 

[enigma-2]

1 hour ago, todd92 said:

The 2.7 is NOT known to have oil consumption issues.

Some of the folks here would disagree with you. Most of the high oil consumption problems I've read about were in the 150. Slightly different version but many similarities. 

[todd92]

I own 2, one in 2015 F150 (the very first 2.7's) and one in a 2020 Edge ST and neither uses a drop between changes.  The 2.7 is widely regarded as one of the most reliable and durable engines Ford makes.

[1004ron]

Judging from the sparse reporting on this forum I'm leaning towards oil consumption not being a systemic issue with the 2.7TT.

 

The turbos failing and causing oil consumption could happen on any of the Ecoboost models or any manufacturer's turbos.

 

[enigma-2]

16 hours ago, todd92 said:

I own 2, one in 2015 F150 (the very first 2.7's) and one in a 2020 Edge ST and neither uses a drop between changes.  The 2.7 is widely regarded as one of the most reliable and durable engines Ford makes.

You're very fortunate. Every car I've ever owned used some oil between changes. Years ago my Ford service department told me it wasn't unusual to lose up to a quart between changes (said it was the reason the owners manual tells you you to check your oil between changes.) I remember when I was a kid, we used to check o level at every gas fill up.

 

My 3.5 aspirated uses some, half qt to 3/4 between changes. I'd expect a pressured engine to use at least that much.

[dabangsta]

Ford has had different definitions of excessive oil consumption over the years. For my 2000 Grand Marquis with the 4.6 they considered 1 quart every 1000 miles to be okay (it isn't). Not until I got to the 275,000 mile range would it use a quart every 3,000 miles (I considered this okay given the miles, I would add 1/2 a quart at 3,000 and change it at 5,000).

 

For the 2.7 they consider 1 quart every 3,000 miles to be normal, any more is excessive (I would find 1 qt/3000 miles to be excessive). Even with my turbo 1.5 and 2.0 engines, up to 150,000 miles, I don't see even 1/4 a quart in 7,000 miles consumption.

 

I think my 3.5 in my 2012 Fusion, at 148,000 miles is finally using enough to detect it on the dipstick, but not enough to need to add between the 7500-10,000 change interval.

 

On the 3.5 I check the oil more regularly for coolant from the water pump, but at 100,000 miles on my Edge (2019 2.0) I am checking it every couple of tanks of fuel.

[JohnR0983]

I too am having excessive oil consumption on my 2017 2.7L sport. I monitor my catchcan and consistently get 1-3ml/mile of oil in my can over the last 1000 miles. I have to empty it about every 100 miles. That is about 1 quart/1000 miles. My mileage is only at 79K. I do not have any drivability issues and no codes. Now maybe if I disconnected my catchcan I would get codes. I have replaced the PCV and Purge Valve.

 

I will check my build date tomorrow but since it is out of warranty at most it may lead me to believe my issue falls within the TSB 19-2243 fix (I have misled myself before though). My edge does not meet all the criteria either: White or blue smoke from the exhaust, rough idle in neutral or park at normal operating temperature or after a hot restart. Well maybe the smoke part.

 

Does anyone know the cost of doing an oil consumption test at a dealer (compression/leak down test)? Having the test done seems like a waste because what else could this problem be than rings or a head issue. For 26 hours labor and parts I am not sure it wouldn't make more sense to replace the engine. I plan to put ATS 505CRO in before my next oil change as it claims to unstick rings but doesn't sound like that is the issue if a head replacement is the TSB fix. Also going to try a thicker oil like 5W40 or 10W40 to see if my blowby reduces. Even if that works, I guess that is just temporary and will eventually need to resolve the issue and curious if anyone has had theirs fixed.

 

I know I can buy a lot of oil for the cost of fixing it other than the hassle of every 100 miles emptying the catchcan. Any thoughts on how long I could limp along like that?

[garycrist]

If your fuel additive does not have PEA in it, your, shall we say, "urinating into the wind".

As far as oil, I would point you to Lake Speed jr.'s video on Valvoline's Protect and Restore engine oil.

To go deeper, find his comparisons of oil tests too.  

 

Did not realize there was a pun till I proof read it. 

[JohnR0983]

@garycrist, thanks for the reply and info. In addition to the 505 CRO I also purchased ATS's 505 CRF, the fuel additive, but can't find on their website that it has PEA so will look for one that specifically states it does. I haven't finished the tank I put it in yet. I haven't put the 505 CRO in yet that is the oil additive to break down deposits and sludge but plan to do it when I am ready to change the oil. It is only supposed to be ran through the engine for 10-20 minutes then change the oil.

 

I watched the video for the restore and protect and is very promising so thanks for that great tip. It looks to be a lasting result and better thing to try than thinker oil. I may need to see if I can find what the head defect is addressed in the TSB. It maybe something that no amount of cleaning or thick oil will resolve if the cylinders are waring unevenly. If so, I most certainly would be "urinating into the wind" with any of these efforts.

[JohnR0983]

After reading the TSB closer it states the issue is the valve guides and a post I found stated the guides are too big. So, I don't believe there is anything I can do if the guides are the problem but get the heads replaced. The repair and protect seems like a thing to do either way but probably not going to solve my oil consumption issue.